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Cummins:QSM Series -
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Exhaust Tempreture High |
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Tue Mar 16 10 7:44 AM |
Mar 12 2010
03:39 PM |
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Jog Along
I have a two year old qsm11 610 hp its been trouble since its been in the boat.now only runs up to 2100 ,exhaust tempreture is high and engine smokes.and there is traces of oil coming out of exhaust{w..... |
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Mar 12 2010
03:56 PM |
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Tom G
Two years old - warranty - what does Cummins say? 2100 RPM in or out of gear? |
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Mar 12 2010
04:41 PM |
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Jog Along
Cummins say it is the prop overloading the engine and the oil is because the boat has been laid up for a month.awaiting a report from them .engine is still in warranty. |
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Mar 12 2010
09:18 PM |
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Tomas Kempe
The prop situation you can check on the calculator, give weight, type of boat and gear ratio and number of engines and I post what prop is recommended and then you tell me what you have. 200 rpm off r..... |
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Mar 13 2010
01:52 AM |
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Tony Athens
Jog Along,
You are not posting any info to give anyone a clue as what the issue may be...........Do you have good seatrial data? Do you have digital instruments? What´s the application? Who did the..... |
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Mar 14 2010
07:16 AM |
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Jog Along
Tomas
we have gone through all what you have suggested,checked the prop situation with 4 companys and on the calculator on here all ok!the boat went into the yard with slight growth on the bottom doi..... |
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Mar 14 2010
07:54 AM |
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Tomas Kempe
You know if they do not want to work with you - they need not to and still get away with it. A couple of points: In all due respect Cummins know props but not as well as an independent prop-shop. If y..... |
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Mar 14 2010
03:06 PM |
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Clark Leighs
Jog Along,
If you want some good help then pay attention to Tony Athens, Seaboard Marine, and do what he asks.
Find and post ALL info and if he asks for more do it. |
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Mar 14 2010
05:07 PM |
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Jog Along
I am awaiting the findings of the cummins tech.i have digital and manual gauges all seem ok other than the exhaust temp being very high.this a new build on initial sea trails made 2300 revs then had l..... |
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Mar 14 2010
09:43 PM |
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hugh C. Brock
It might not hurt to get a water manometer and check exhaust back pressure? High exhaust pressure can sometimes be a cause of high exhaust temperatures |
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Mar 14 2010
11:16 PM |
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Tony Athens
Jog Along,
You have digital instruments and your answer to me is "all seems ok"..That tool could easily have stopped what ever you have going on a long time ago if you understood proper a..... |
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Mar 14 2010
11:55 PM |
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Tony Athens
Jog Along,
You got me thinking more here ( I may be asking too much) so maybe you can just answer this simple question..Fuel consumption at some typical RPM´s
Steady cruise at 1200, 1600, 1800,..... |
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Yesterday
10:54 AM |
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Randy Warden
Jog In your post you state "it had a two hour run up the coast at 2260 this was open flat out" Does that mean you ran it a full throttle for two hours? That´s tough on any motor. Randy |
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Yesterday
12:27 PM |
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Tomas Kempe
Under normal and healthy conditions this QSM 11 at 610hp is rated by Cummins as Intermittent Duty limiting full power to 2 hours out of every 8 hours - indicating this is a strong fellow. If you use i..... |
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Yesterday
06:35 PM |
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Jog Along
Some data
rpm load fuel ex back pressure ex temp intake temp
600 30% 1.2 0 266 24
800 41% 2.1 0 332 24.2
1000 39% 3.8 0 430 24.5
1200 48% 6.2 0 563 24
1400 59% 10.1 0 730 25
1600 65% 13.8 0 78..... |
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Yesterday
08:34 PM |
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Craig
2140 99% 28.5 0 780 27.1 Says to me you are way overloaded. |
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Yesterday
10:48 PM |
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Tony Athens
Jog Along,
You are so over propped that I am amazed you have not blown up the engine..........You are literally squeezing it to death.. This is not a Cummins issue, this is YOUR ISSUE.. Prop down u..... |
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Today
03:18 AM |
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Robert Hess
Rpm load fuel ex back pressure ex temp intake temp
600 30% 1.2 0 266 24
800 41% 2.1 0 332 24.2
1000 39% 3.8 0 430 24.5
1200 48% 6.2 0 563 24
1400 59% 10.1 0 730 25
1600 65% 13.8 0 783 25.2
1800..... |
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Today
04:04 AM |
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Tony Athens
Load % is a meaningless and, IMO, a very dangerous number that should not even be included in the display readouts.. Any answer I would give you is just as meaningless including this: My suggestio..... |
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Today
06:47 AM |
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Tomas Kempe
Why is this engine not consuming rated fuel at WOT? The exhaust temps are at the turbo I assume and if F is pretty good but if Celsius way too high, hard to believe you could have 780C at the turbo at..... |
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Today
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Paul Foulston
Tony,
Not sure I understand you here re engine load. Percent engine load is telling the whole story, it is being TOTALLY strangled.
For Roberts benefit I think I also answered the question some ..... |
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Volvo:40,41,42,43,44 Series -
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Changing injection pump from 41A to 41B |
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Tue Mar 16 10 7:10 AM |
Mar 10 2010
03:25 AM |
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Bill Waters
I have heard it is possible to have an injection shop change the settings on an injection pump. I have a spare pump # 838683 NR 0460 416 047. I think this is supposed to be for a 41A.
I talked to..... |
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Mar 10 2010
05:36 AM |
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Ed H
I went through this with what I think was a 42 pump number that I bought used for my 41b´s. I went through a lot with the Bosch techs (they don´t speak Volvo at all!!) and I ended up with something t..... |
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Mar 10 2010
10:08 PM |
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Mike.c
Bill,
the key to this are the numbers on the side of the injection pumps example,
ve6/11f 1800 l218-7. Those numbers will help identify the engine is is used on. Volvo penta has it own set of s..... |
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Mar 11 2010
10:07 PM |
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Kenneth James Weilmuenster
about five years ago, I totally rebuilt my two TAMD41As and turned them into TAMD41Bs.
This required different pistons ( different compression ratio ), different injectors ( the body is the same, b..... |
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Today
02:24 AM |
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Bill Waters
Mike,
I forgot to check the numbers on the pumps installed on the boat. Here are the numbers on the new pump.
NR 0 460 416 047
VE L 218
838683
849 24377
I planned to provide both sets..... |
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Today
02:53 AM |
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Bill Waters
Ed,
The guy at the pump shop compared the schematics for both the A and B pumps and the only differences he found were the springs and he said the rear housing. I looked at my parts guide and the ..... |
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Today
02:59 AM |
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Bill Waters
Kenneth,
Yes, turning an ´A´ engine into a ´B´ engine requires a lot of part changes. Kind of amazing that many parts changed from one model to the next. Got to give the Volvo engineers a lot of cr..... |
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Today
06:58 AM |
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Ed H
Let me know the outcome of the rear housing issue. On the two spares I have, there seems to be a lot of slop in the cam shaft that goes into the housing, and is real tight on the other cam. They see..... |
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Today
07:10 AM |
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Ed H
http://www.marinepartseurope.com/en/volvo-penta-explodedview-7745630-23-19507B.aspx
Marine Part Express lists this Volvo p/n as good for both the 41A and 41B, looks like Kenneth was spot on, just t..... |
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Yanmar:LP Series -
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EGT sensor for Yanmar 6LP-STE |
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Dec 17 2009
08:39 PM |
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Arne Armoa
I´m trying to find out which EGT sensor I should get for my 6LP-STE. The most logic brands around here would be VDO or Wema. This is not very optimal though, since their sensors are 3/8", and I..... |
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Yesterday
10:15 PM |
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Rhc
Any updates on the install? |
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Today
06:40 AM |
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Arne Armoa
Status quo so far. Still waiting for the EGT stuff and the adapters for the boost sensor.
Also I have so much other stuff to do with the boat, that the installation of these instruments will have ..... |
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General Diesel:Fuel Systems -
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Seamax Multi-Stage Fuel Fueltration from a Racor 500 |
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Tue Mar 16 10 5:07 AM |
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TJ Butler
Just want to thank the folks at Seaboard Marine for a great product. As you can see from the attached photos, the 500 was in a bit of a tight spot. This made filter changes and top-offs a real PITA.
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Today
05:07 AM |
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Andy Guiliano
TJ,
When you´re ready to change the spin on´s, slip a (compactor or heavy mil) plastic trash bag under/around the filters up against the bracket, spin them off and ease them down onto the bag. Zero s..... |
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Volvo:40,41,42,43,44 Series -
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TAMD41B - Soot odor |
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Tue Mar 16 10 3:32 AM |
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03:32 AM |
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Bill Waters
I have a soot type of odor after running awhile at 3000 rpms. The odor is present in the cockpit when I bring them to idle, especially true when coming back through the harbor at 650 rpms for 20 minut..... |
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Volvo:40,41,42,43,44 Series -
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Heat Exchanger Boot coming off |
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Tue Mar 16 10 3:15 AM |
Mar 11 2010
09:45 PM |
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Bug
Have a TMD40A & MS3 reverse gear. Recently put my engine back in after replacing some seals and replaced the exhaust elbow. My heat exchanger rubber boot blows off after running above idle. The hea..... |
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Today
03:15 AM |
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Bill Waters
I had the same problem with a TAMD40A. I think the H/E are slightly different. I´m not real familiar with the one you have. The one I had, has a lip around the end. I found that if I used a wide clamp..... |
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Repowering: General -
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38 Bertram repowering with Volvo IPS 600 |
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Tue Mar 16 10 3:12 AM |
Mar 9 2010
03:12 AM |
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Dieselremote
Vessel new was 1974 Bertam 38 with Cummins 903. Repowered around 1999 with Cat 3208 435hp. Owner decided to step it up by repowering again with Volvo IPS 600. The project started last week and progres..... |
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Mar 9 2010
02:00 PM |
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Doug L.
Oh man! That sounds like a ton of work/money on a really old boat. I guess this guy really means it when he says "I don´t care what it costs". |
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Mar 9 2010
02:08 PM |
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Dieselremote
The vessel has been maintained very well and the cost of repowering is much less than replacing with new vessel pictures to follow |
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Mar 9 2010
04:58 PM |
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Tomas Kempe
Vovo should give you some for doing this. Contact them and have them use the repower in the marketing - call Sweden and ask for appropriate contact and info on this type of work. You will get more roo..... |
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Mar 9 2010
06:26 PM |
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Karl
Love the old 38´s, can´t wait to see some progress pics.
Karl |
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Mar 10 2010
03:04 AM |
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Dieselremote
Volvo is working closely with us on this project, The project will take a little longer but the CG of the vessel is being checked and other aspects reviewed, Volvo, the ownwer and we are not willing t..... |
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Mar 10 2010
03:32 AM |
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Dieselremote
Just some additional photos of vessel and project |
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Mar 10 2010
12:04 PM |
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Karl
Are you installing the D6 engines on jackshafts in the existing engine room ? I´m guessing you are - don´t think they would go in under the cockpit sole ?
Should give the owner a lot of room around t..... |
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Mar 10 2010
04:23 PM |
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Tomas Kempe
I asked the same question - why do it on a pair of 3208 that looks good and clearly taken care of. Sure the owner knows what he is doing, going from Cummins to Cat and now Volvo. My guess is that his ..... |
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Mar 10 2010
05:47 PM |
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Dieselremote
Yes we are going to use Jackshafts and keep the engines under salon floor this should help with the CG of the vessel, Volvo has been helping with tech info.
Yes the engines and gear run well and are ..... |
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Mar 13 2010
10:14 PM |
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Bert38
FYI, Actually I have no complaints about my 3208s They have been very good and always got me home. I am an application engineer for Volvo Penta and from what I have seen the product is "That Good..... |
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Mar 13 2010
11:38 PM |
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Dieselremote
Another good day in the boat yard. Rear bulkhead removed, cats removed, rear bulkhead back in place. Starting to lay out location of IPS units,jack shaft length, and engine placement. The engine brack..... |
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Mar 14 2010
01:01 AM |
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Tomas Kempe
You guys are doing an exciting project but looking at the work, the cost I can not see that this will ever be a viable repower alternative to a shaft system. The efficiency will never pay off in any s..... |
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Mar 14 2010
02:03 AM |
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Fishn2day
WOW. I thought I stepped over the edge swapping out 3208´s for 6081 John Deeres in my 38 Bert. Yours is way more ambitious with the drives and wish you good luck. |
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Mar 14 2010
12:35 PM |
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Karl
Tomas,
It appears that this boat is in no need of a re-power. The owner states that there is nothing wrong with the Cat´s. His motives must be something in addition to fuel economy. (If this boat w..... |
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Mar 14 2010
02:15 PM |
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Tomas Kempe
Karl: You understand very well only that you have your Volvo goggels on. My statements are subjective and probably shared by some - it is only money that may be wasted here. Let me make myself clearer..... |
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Mar 14 2010
05:42 PM |
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Karl
Tomas,
Agree 100% : "this type of repower is not for average Joe". Pod re-power, in my opinion, will only make sense in limited numbers and it will not be DIY projects.
I have my pod g..... |
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Yesterday
02:54 PM |
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Frank J. Foster
You know the interesting thing is that a Detroit Diesel hooked up to a ZF Pod would be just as fuel efficient and less poluting as a common rail engine hooked up to a straight inboard, going the same ..... |
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Today
01:51 AM |
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Dieselremote
After the lay out work that was done over the weekend, Brad will be getting started on the fiberglass work needed for the installation of the mounting rings, and engine beds. The existing holes and op..... |
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Today
03:12 AM |
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Jhall767
Yea Frank this repower might be more interesting if they left the original engines in for a while to see what difference the pods make. If I replace my DD´s with pods and a new electronic diesel I sh..... |
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Volvo:40,41,42,43,44 Series -
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Hose support configuration |
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Mar 11 2010
09:49 PM |
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Kenneth James Weilmuenster
I am in the process of replacing the oil coolers ( they are rotting out ) and metal pipe from the oil cooler to the seawater pump on my TAMD41As. I have the parts, but the hose supports are totally di..... |
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Today
03:07 AM |
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Bill Waters
Kenneth,
I think Volvo should have kit for this conversion that would include the right parts. If that fails, couldn´t you fabricate a bracket from some metal strap material. Paint it up real good..... |
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Caterpillar: General -
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Loss of top revs |
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Mike
I have a new 40 ft fibreglass planning hull Cray boat. Vessel is fitted with a 500hp electronic C9 caterpillar with 2.04- 1 twin disc gear box. Boat was late in launching for cray season so launched ..... |
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Volvo:70,71,72,73,74,75 Series -
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Tamd 75p EDC Alarm |
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Mar 8 2010
02:37 AM |
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Hvlm
Just took boat out for weekend. Ran flawlessly. Last night turned keys on STBD engine and received the battery alarm on EDC. Repair manual calls this alarm a "Charge Warning Lamp" whereas..... |
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Mar 10 2010
10:40 PM |
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Mike.c
Hank,
are we talking about the the volvo alarm panel or the lcd display? If you have access to a volt meter as stated check voltage at b+ terminal on back of alt. While there also check the other t..... |
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Mar 11 2010
03:30 AM |
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Hvlm
Thanx Mike! I will check the suggested items and report back. You are correct in assuming rectangle red alarm display near ignition. I appreciate your suggestions. |
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Today
02:49 AM |
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Hvlm
I should have thought about this sooner. The EDC system needs ALL senders to be connected for the system to have the correct voltage at the main CPU. When my PORT oil switch crapped out – I switched..... |
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Detroit:71 Series -
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Detroit 2-71 Service Manual |
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Feb 24 2010
03:40 PM |
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Zol
Hi all.
I have just purchased an old trawler here in Oz. It has a Detroit 2-71 I have just found out.
Need to know if our site has a full service manual to download. If not, does anyone have a man..... |
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Today
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Scot
You may have found one by now, if not...try Ebay. Find one of the original Detroit paper versions, the disc copies are frustrating. |
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Detroit:92 Series -
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Excessive Black Smoke |
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G. F. Partridge,Jr..
I have two original dd8v 92TI 550 hp engines in 1983 46 foot Bertram with about 3500 hours.Starboard engine generates black smoke above 1500rpm.Port engine running off same fuel tank does not generat..... |
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Yesterday
11:59 PM |
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Paul H Foster
Make sure the turbo spins and check hose and clamps coming from the turbo.
Is the props and bottom clean ?
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G. F. Partridge,Jr..
Thanks Paul,bottom is fairly clean,turbos spin, no loose clamps.Fred |
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Today
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Ski in NC
Give more details. Did problem come on suddenly, or gradually? Will engine eventually climb above 1500? Can you get the boat to planing attitude? Have you run to full power, and to what rpm does i..... |
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Cummins:VT Series -
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Vt 555 |
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Diesel Don
I am looking at a couple of boats of late 80s vintage that have "triple nickles". I realize that parts are expensive or do not exist. I was in the manufacturing business and could manufactur..... |
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Yesterday
03:06 AM |
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Tony Athens
Don,
Engine hours are not the issue.. It´s "Marine Age" and 30 years is about the end of the line for these engines if they have been in a salt water environment since new..The time has c..... |
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Yesterday
08:32 AM |
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Paul Foulston
Don,
Take note of Tony´s post.
Base motor was reasonably sound for the era, however consider just one item; if starter motor is the option which attaches to the rear face of the flywheel housin..... |
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Yesterday
12:19 PM |
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David DiSesa
Maybe DD´s live on because you can get a starter rebuilt at any shop for 250.00. Even when the 555 was current, parts had to be shipped in from the UK. |
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Yesterday
11:57 PM |
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Bill D l
I know of 1 exhaust manifold new for a triple 555 nickel, 1/2 price, $1200 |
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12:33 AM |
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Ricksmarine
We took a pair of 555´s back in 2001 out of a customer´s 36´ custom sportfish manuf in 1981 - 2000 lbs out and added 200hp with 370B´s - boat went from 17kt cruise to 25kt cruise at 1/2 fuel consumpt..... |
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Cummins:QSB Series -
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Engine zinc |
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Tue Mar 16 10 12:10 AM |
Yesterday
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Jmccrack
I have a 5.9 425HP cummins with 162 hrs, how often should the engine zincs be changed? |
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Today
12:10 AM |
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Phil
When my QSB was new, I pulled them about every two months for a season, then replaced them when they got down to about 1/2 original size. I think that took the full season in the first year. Since the..... |
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Cummins:C Series -
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Looking to Purchase |
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Mon Mar 15 10 11:43 PM |
Yesterday
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Tj
Hi everyone,I´m new to the forums & in the process of purchasing a 40 searay sedan with 6cta 8.3 M2 engines. Can someone clue me in on what to look for & any inherent problems with the motors. They cu..... |
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Yesterday
10:49 PM |
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Frank
Obviously have them surveyed and I would not buy without service records. Look for raw water pump replacements since the original sherwoods are junk, aftercooler service etc. post more info and you wi..... |
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Yesterday
11:43 PM |
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Tomas Kempe
You can look at this recent post, go back 4-5 pages, there are photos that will
help you judge as well.
Mar 7 2010
10:20 PM Row I´m scheduled to survey a 2002 38 Tiara open this week with Cumm..... |
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